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united kingdom internet radio linking project

ukirlp newsletter june 2004

www.ukirlp.co.uk

http://www.qsl.net/g3zhi

g3zhi@hotmail.com

01709 799911 Mobile: 0783 338 0578

ofcom-views wanted on internet linking ‘nov' procedure by july 2004

ofcom want your views on the proposed changes to the internet linking ‘nov' please submit your comments to ofcom amateurcb@ofcom.org.uk

ukirlp team have installed 66 echoirlp nodes
from november 2003 ukirlp have installed 66 echoirlp nodes around the world.

all are working fine. node owners have requested the install despite the unhelpful comments by dave cameron ve7ltd who said it had come to his attention unqualified people were installing echoirlp and if a node was broken the irlp team would offer no help to fix it. which says much about how irlp is run.

thankfully you don't need a degree in linux or computer science to install echoirlp as most of us are just hams and not computer system administrators.

unfortunately being too heavy handed has given irlp a bad name and i am glad to see that type of attitude is missing from echolink and eqso where fellow hams are always willing to help. ham radio is a hobby and not a business.

echolink is growing fast around the world with 150,000 downloads in 130 countries.

ve7ltd also stopped ukirlp from promoting echoirlp among the irlp node owners.

unfortunately the irlp heavy handed approach has killed the activity on the 9200 reflector with the reflector policemen laying down their rules with newcomers. being aggressive puts hams off.

thankfully the reflector policemen have now stopped using the reflector but the damage has been done.

it seems to me irlp's biggest challenge in the future is increasing activity. presently only around 6% of the 1354 nodes are in use at any one time. when hams have spent nearly $150,000 on irlp boards not too mention all their other costs - promoting activity is a must. it does make you wonder how much cash hams have invested in the whole irlp network.

irlp remove lockout list
without any warning irlp recently removed the lockout list page. this means irlp users are no longer able to see who the irlp node owners are locking out

this secrecy is a bad move and I hope the lockout page is reinstated.

irlp nodes network summary

1354 - Total Nodes 68 - In Use 610 - Idle 37 - Offline 397 - Down


Antarctica 2
Antigua 1
Australia 66
Barbados 2
Belgium 1
Bermuda 1
Botswana 1
Canada 236
Cayman Islands 1
Chile 1
China 2
Denmark 1
Dominica 2
Ecuador 1
Eire 1
England 56
France 1
Germany 6
Grenada 1
India 1
Jamaica 1
Japan 11
Korea, Republic of 1
Mexico 7
Netherlands 4
Netherlands Antilles 2
New Zealand 11
Norway 3
Puerto Rico 1
Saint Kitts & Nevis 1
Scotland 5
South Africa 5
Spain 1
Sweden 15
Trinidad 1
Trinidad and Tobago 3
USA 890


top 5 countries with internet link nodes are

Irlp echolink

Usa 890 1048
Canada 236 154
australia 66 38
england 56 122

echolink has 522 nodes in europe and is used in more countries than irlp

new echoirlp install script
the new echoirlp script is very easy to use. try it yourself. you only have to answer a few simple questions.

ian g0hlj designed the ukirlp web site to automate the request procedure

rsgb news on internet gateways

in the uk due to our old fashioned radio regulations internet gateways are not allowed to carry the rsgb news. in other countries ham radio news is broadcast over the internet gateways.

vk amateur radio magazine

g3zhi has recently had an article published in the vk magazine amateur radio about internet linking.

w4mq kenwood 2000 remote base voip software

w4mq software allows you to remotely control a kenwood 2000 connected to the internet using voip.

guest users are only allowed to tune around on receive but if you have a licence and apply for a password you can use it on transmit. there are 6 kenwood 2000 transceivers connected so far. they are located in the usa canary island and australia.

we hope to have one in the uk soon. it will only be available on receive as we have yet to get permission from ofcom for transmitting which could take some time

you can download the w4mq program to your windows pc computer and then you just need a sound card and speakers and a microphone.

To listen live to the w4mq gateway on echolink call node number 19808

http://www.w4mq.com

10m internet linking frequencies
after 2 years we are still no further forward on new frequencies for 10m for internet linking gateways.

g4ihz working in the usa and canada

malcom g4ihz came through the g4nji internet gateway while recently working in america and canada. he took his laptop with him and was able to work echolink from his hotel room while connected to the internet. he also used his handheld radio to make contacts back in uk via local gateways while out driving.

g8jjr in perth Australia for 2 months

kevin g8jjr was on holiday in perth australia for 8 weeks earlier in the year and came through the g4nji 2m link most days using a 2m radio a local ham in vk lent him. Kevin was able to keep in daily touch with his friends back home.

international space station iss
g3zhi contributed to a paper on echolinking submitted to a seminar on the iss which was recently held in holland. hopefully they may put echolink access on the iss.

club talks using internet gateways

g3zhi has given a number of talks to radio clubs around the world using internet gateways

internet links could be used by any radio club for a club talk from any ham anywhere in the world that has a local internet voice gateway.

2 new 2m frequencies for internet gateways

no news on any new 2m channels.

presently no new nov's are being issued for the current two 2m channels 145.2875 and 145.3375.

a request for an extra two 2m channels was first made two years ago.

as usual nothing more has been heard from ofcom

ei ireland new internet gateways

ei now has both echolink and an irlp internet gateway

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ireland air mobile operation

the authorities in ireland permit hams to operate air mobile from air balloons. In the uk our old fashioned caa will not allow this type of operation although many countries do.

rsgb rmc

g8gor looks after voip matters on the rsgb repeater management committee.

ofcom web site is very poor

the ofcom website is not a patch on the old radiocommunications agency web site. it is difficult to navigate and lacks up to date information. no ham radio news has been posted on it since ofcom started 6 months ago.

g3rkl walk in new zealand february 2004

tony has completed another one of his long strolls. he walked the length of the south island of new zealand starting at the bottom and walking to the top. 750 miles and it took him 40 days and 40 nights. tony used his radio every day and when he was in range of an internet link talked back to uk. zl has the only national repeater system in the world. these are 20 repeaters all linked together on uhf that cover the length of the country - both islands.

take your handheld with you on holiday overseas

internet gateways are a great way to keep in touch with ham friends back home

check the web sites for frequencies and list of node numbers to call..

gb3pz monthly breakfast meeting

the gb3pz group have been holding a monthly breakfast on the last saturday of the month and anyone is welcome to attend. the meeting starts at around 1030 details are on the gb3pz web site. this is a good idea that all radio clubs could adopt. breakfast meetings are very popular in usa canada and vk but so far not in the uk. http://www.gb3pz.org.uk

gb3rb bolsover 433.200 dennis skinner m.p.

after many months of waiting gb3rb finally got licensed. this was achieved with the help of the local mp dennis skinner who wrote to the minister of defence ivor caplin mp

the minister said the reason mod were not allowing any changes and new licensing on 70cm was the problem of interference to the raf base at fylingdales. dennis skinners intervention sorted the gb3rb problem with the repeater which has been licensed on 433.200. in the future it is hoped to have gb3rb linked to the internet.

If you have a ham radio problem contact your m.p they are always willing to help and can get things done when individuals cannot. m.p's know all the contacts and can write letters to ministers.

gb3jf lincs asgarby lincs

gb3jf on 145.6875 has now been licensed and the repeater should be on the air soon. it is planned to link it to the echolink network

gb3dx

echolink node number 7125 continues to be very busy. the gb3dx 145.7125 2m repeater is located in birmingham and permanently connected to the england. conference room. gb3dx is probably the busiest repeater in the uk.

uk repeaters and internet gateways

325 repeaters in the uk

400 nov's held for simplex channels

•  repeater nov's issued

9 repeaters linked to irlp

17 repeaters linked to echolink

2 2m simplex channels

5 70cm simplex channel

•  4m channel

1 6m channel

1 23cm channel

echolink repeaters http://www.echolink.org download program

GB3AI-R In Conference G0VJI-L ON 19:52 4969

GB3BN-R Bracknell, Berkshire ON 19:49 1938

GB3DV-R EchoIRLP, Maltby S'Yo [0/4] ON 19:03 120618

GB3DX-R In Conference *ENGLAND* ON 19:46 7125

GB3EK-R Margate www.GB3EK.co.uk ON 19:47 48360

GB3GN-R Aberdeen - Scotland ON 18:48 19583

GB3HD-R Huddersfield West Yorks ON 19:51 114580

GB3HE-R Hastings 1066 ON 19:53 115293

GB3HH-R Harpur Hill Buxton. U.K ON 19:51 97616

GB3IE-R PLYMOUTH / DEVON (2) ON 19:49 27871

GB3IN-R Huthwaite ON 19:48 98258

GB3IR-R North East England ON 19:50 1353

GB3KD-R Kidderminster RV63 (1) ON 19:56 187981

GB3LV-R In Conference LU5DTK-L BUSY 19:40 155403

GB3SB-R SCOTTISH BORDERS E/LINK ON 19:47 116678

GB3WO-R West Oxfordshire 433.25 ON 19:50 170343

GB3XN-R Langold Notts [0/2] ON 19:03 153126

irlp repeaters http://www.irlp.net

5113 gb3wj/1 scunthorpe nlinc england 433.1250 88.50

5120 gb3ee sheffield sy england 433.3000 71.90

5130 gb3dv maltby sy england 433.0250 71.90

5140 gb3lf kendal cumbria england 433.3500 110.9

5364 gb3nh northampton -- england 433.0750 77.00

5600 gb3lv london en england 433.0500 82.50

5150 gb3us sheffield sy england 433.0000 103.50

5400 gb3pz manchester cheshire england 430.9000 82.50

5708 gb3xn langold notts england 430.9250 71.9

eqso http://www.esq.org download eqso program

2e1ehm canterbury

g0wyg bromley

g1lvn northumberland

g3sna manchester

g4anw isle of wight

g4fzn scotch corner

g4kqu birmingham

m0bmw wolverhampton

m0srf bristol

echolink paper for iaru r1 meeting davos Switzerland 2005

at the iaru r1 vhf managers conference held in Austria in February 2004

ref the french national society called for papers to be submitted on echolink and Internet gateways to the iaru r1 meeting in davos switzerland in 2005. It is for each individual iaru society to submit a paper on the subject. for us that would be the rsgb vhf manager g4asr if you have any comments please send them to him. g4asr@btinternet.com

echolink node baghdad

no news at the moment but laith yi3sra was hoping to put an echolink node on the air soon. so far isp problems have prevented this from happening.

dave g4ebt closedown

after a complaint made by an australian ham dave g4ebt was closed down last year for a month by the ra regarding a packet bulletin he had sent out. the ra action way over the top and he appealed against it. the upshot being ra lawyers ruled that hams are allowed to talk about any thing under european court of human rights freedom of expression laws.

446 users internet linked using eqso software

there are a number of 446 walkie talkie family radio internet gateways around the uk and the world. for a list of gateways visit http://www.446user.co.uk/gateway_list_all.html

yaesu have produced wires 2

Wide coverage internet enhanced system. For more info visit their web site

http://www.yaesu.co.uk/amateur/vhf/wires/wires.htm

free sample copy - world radio magazine

amateur radio magazine world radio from sacremento california usa will send you a sample copy in the post for free if you email them

http://www.wr6wr.com/

dx remote receivers on the internet

try http://www.dxtuner.com for remote tuning of receivers in different parts of the world.

ukirlp newsletter previous editions

these can be downloaded from http://www.qsl.net/g3zhi

for inexpensive PC software by ian g0hlj

visit http://www.cheapshareware.c o .uk

useful site for windows xp tips

http://www.winxpnews.com/

yahoo ham radio egroups

to join an egroup go to http://groups.yahoo.com

and search for the group

egroups are a useful way of finding information and sharing views with other members who are interested in the same subject

name of group number of members

echoirlpsupport 125

ukirlp 15

bassirlp 35

BMHA 310

cqairmobile 51

EchoIRLP-gen 61

echolink 2459

Echolink-Open-List 208

echolink_uk 57

eqso 888

euro-irlp 6

FT817 5380

gb3dx 15

gb3ee_central5120 29

GQRP 1028

hamcams 274

HamRadio 262

iLINK-IRLP 34

InternetLinking 165

irlp 953

IRLP-Classroom 16

irlp-de 17

irlp-sm 45

IRLP-Space 5

IRLP_SKYWARN_NET 129

iss-irlp 62

ITVLP 54

m3web 115

MicrowaveTVmonitors 430

northern_ireland_hams 233

radioham 69

radiohams 82

Repeater-Builder 2033

Repeaters 1043

scanpromauk 2484

Suffolk-Data-Group 46

SWM_readers 662

syars 2

tvrg 70

ui-view 2853

UK_ATV 153

UK_Radio_Amateur_M3_2E 159

UK_Radio_Hams_Abroad 11

yorkshirescanner 85

audio weekly ham radio news services

qnews http://www.wiaq.com/qnews/upload/bcast.htm

arnewsline http://www.arnewsline.org

rsgb news http://www.rsgb.org

arrl news http://www.arrl.org

for a list of all internet linking simplex frequencies

http://www.dcc.rsgb.org/ShowGates.asp?call=ALL

icom dstar

icom voip system

http://www.ic o mamerica.com/amateur/dstar/

Morse code over the internet

download from http://www.mrx.com.au/d_cwcom.htm

CWCom is a morse code chat progam for Windows and NT operating systems. You can use CWCom to transmit and receive morse code and text messages over a LAN or across the internet! CWCom can translate morse code to text and text to morse code or flashing light, so you don't have to know morse code to use it. The program has a configurable morse libarary - you can define your own morse characters and the text associated with it. Up to 128 characters can be displayed for a single morse code symbol! CWCom can be configured to receive input from a morse key, using the joystick port, serial port or keyboard.

G3ZHI contact details: g3zhi@hotmail.com

http://qsl.net/g3zhi http://www.ukirlp.co.uk

G4NJI IRLP 5200 Echolink 135909

Rotherham simplex 145.2875mhz

GB3XN IRLP 5708 Echolink 153126

Langold 430.925 Mhz

Ian Abel G3ZHI

52 Hollytree Ave

Maltby

Rotherham

Yorkshire

S66 8DY

Tel: 01709 799911

Mobile 0783 338 0578

 

КОМЕНТАРИЙ 1

ukirlp 2004 newsletterIan,

I am very disturbed at your narrow-minded views of my feelings on Echolink and EchoIRLP, and your lack of proper knowledge of the IRLP system. You are misinformed, and obviously think that you have to flaunt that to everyone in the Ham VoIP world. Just so that everyone understands both sides of all your slander of the IRLP network and the EchoIRLP project, here are a few "re-clarifications" of the points you covered:

First, I do not hate EchoIRLP. I run it on my node in Vancouver. Several other IRLP installers and support crew, including Paul VE3SY and Dave K9DC (both reflector cops, or head-bashers whichever you refer to them as). I am putting into motions the steps required to make it EASIER for node owners to install and operate EchoIRLP, by doing all the tricky compiling work for them. I am also modifying core IRLP scripts to make the transition to EchoIRLP easier. I will also be distributing EchoIRLP from the IRLP servers, and helping people install it on their nodes. This will open a large percentage
of the 1400 IRLP nodes as Echolink RF nodes.

Second, I don't think you have a clue of why people are locked out of reflectors. IRLP does not believe that putting a 2 second "mute period" for all link and repeater stations is a solution to a problem like nodes with tails and courtesy tones. That is how Echolink conference servers often deal with that issue. It is like masking intermod on the input of a repeater with a CTCSS tone squelch: Any good repeater owner would not do that, they would take the machine off the air, and fix the technical problem before bringing it back online. IRLP nodes are not locked out of reflectors for non-technical
reasons, except for when they are carrying on local QSOs with no consideration for others on the reflector, often not knowing they are even connected. The time from keyup to retransmit on IRLP is in the order of about 150 milliseconds, not the 1.2 seconds that is average
on Echolink. The problem is much more pronounced. The standards of having no courtesy tone and pulses (or thumping, or pinging) just makes the IRLP network into a seamless linking system for radios, which was what is was designed to be from the beginning.

Third, many other programmers and I just spent close to three weeks modifying and testing new IRLP binaries to make the GSM audio sound better. The usage of GSM on IRLP is about 1%. This was strictly to improve the audio for EchoIRLP, as EchoIRLP is 100% GSM. As a side note, this improved the audio on the ADPCM mode of IRLP as well.

Fourth, the reason why you were asked not to promote EchoIRLP on the IRLP lists is the following:

- You flooded a perfectly valid tool we set up to allow people to send email to node owners, without posting the email addresses on the web. You used that system to send EchoIRLP propaganda to hundreds of node owners who didn't want it, and flooded the server off the web. Now we have had to put restrictions on the service, lessening its usability for everyone.

- You posted to the IRLP general yahoo groups and IRLP general (hosted on IRLP.net) lists EVERY day for a week or so, even after being asked to stop by many people on the list. The message was the same every time. Try doing that on the Echolink list and see what happens. Notice that I did not lock you out of the IRLP list, just asked you not to continue promoting EchoIRLP so aggressively on a list that you had already saturated.

- You don't seem to understand that people don't seem to complain to you when the IRLP list goes off topic. They complain to me. At the time, I was not even a moderator of the IRLP Yahoo Groups list, and received over 50 messages asking why you were so persistent in your posting.

Fifth, the reason why I said I would not support EchoIRLP, especially at that time, is that nobody who supported IRLP was in the production loop. I had too many things to worry about to start looking at compatibility issues. The initial alpha stage that the code was at when you started promoting EchoIRLP was buggy, and breaking several nodes, and we were left to spend our time cleaning up the mess. It is not unfair that I warned node owners who had EchoIRLP installed that we would not be able to help them with their EchoIRLP installations, as even to this date, most of us don't have a clue how to support problems with it. I never said you guys were unqualified, I just said if it broke we could not fix it, and that you guys were not the IRLP installs and support team, so there was no confusion.

Sixth, the comment on activity has nothing to do with the stability or the future of the network. The beauty of IRLP is that it is there when you need it. The Linux computers just sit and run reliably, without the need for rebooting. People just now consider it a part of their repeater all the time, and no longer just a novelty to play with. I still have over 50 connections a day, and that does not include the 150 Echolink connections that come up and down without anyone saying anything.

Seven, the "lockout page" you refer to was set up as a beta test because people wanted to know what reflectors they had been locked out of after they had fixed their technical problems, so they would know where they would have to be re-instated. Some people sent us wrong email information, and never received the lockout notices. For your information, the "lockout" page was built once, and was not an active page. So anyone who used it for whatever purposes would have seen static information on it. Before it was removed, it had not been updated for over 6 months. It was not an "obscurity" in any way. Nodes that try to connect to a reflector they are locked out from are told that when they try to connect. We also reply to all requests to re-instate a node.

So Ian, I am not sure where you get your information, or why you feel that everyone has to listen to your opinion. Sorry, but if you are going to do that, I am always going to be here to put things in a clear and concise form, so there is no confusion.

Dave Cameron (VE7LTD) dcameron@irlp.net
IRLP System Designer

 

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